Standalone Apps looses Asio Connection

Hi All

i´m a fairly new member in the Neural DSP Club :wink: the last weekend i demoed a couple of neural dsp plugins and just purchased fortin cali suite and darklass ultra because of their awesomness!

the plugins (VST3) work very nicely in my DAW (Cubase 10.5 Pro, at 64 Samples) but dont run as good as standalone.
when i´m using the standalone apps (no matter for which one, i tried abasi, fortin cali suite, darkglass ultra, paralax) the standalone app looses the audiointerface asio connection after almost every action (switching presets, turning some knobs, etc), if i dont change settings, the programm runs fine for long time, but as soon as i switch the preset, or try to change a parameter… boom…connection gone and error message.

what i do to solve this issue: go into the preferences, change the audio input to another input and change back and it works again.
this happens with each bufferrate, from 64 to 1024samples and at 44.1khz as well as 48khz

i´m using quite a few other standalone programms like from toontrack (superior drummer 3, EZ Piano) and many from native instruments and dont have these issues there.

my setup:
I9 9900K with designare Z390 mainboard with thunderbolt, 64GB of RAM
UA Apollo Quad Interface with Thundbolt
ASIO Thunderbolt drivers
Win10 1903

needless to say, my computer is already optimized for audio performances (no background tasks, energy settings, network disabled, etc) and i get a splendid performance in overall

hope you can help / fix this issue as i also really want to use the standalone apps properly

Hi @chrrz. Thank you for notifying us.

This seems to be caused by an incompatibility problem between the ASIO protocol, the Plug-In engine, and some Thunderbolt interfaces in Windows systems. It can affect Amp simulators from multiple brands since almost every audio application uses the ASIO protocol to work properly under Windows systems.

Everyone involved is already notified about this. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the near future.

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Hi @Gonzalo

thank you very much for your swift reply, i´m glad this topic is already noted.
Keep the fingers crossed for a fix in the future

all the best

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@GonzaloThis is the same issue i was talkign about…

I have the same issue, pretty much exactly the same pc specs,with a twin x instead.
Its seams to be ok in Cubase VST mode but unusable as standalone. Works like you say, and then just drops out completly after about 7-11mins

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@jon.wesgate If it’s the same issue described above, then I’m afraid you’ll have to wait for a driver update that fixes it. As far as I know, UAD have already been notified by another developer.

Some users have been able to mitigate it by doing general optimization tips (including the ones mentioned on the UAD guides), and running the standalone on normal oversampling, but eventually, there will be a resynchronization request made by the driver. After that, the audio thread never fully recovers and you need to press “reset device” to make it work again.

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thank you very much for the update @Gonzalo and sharing some more details
would it be also possible that Neural DSP reports this to Universal Audio, the more that request this bugfix, the sooner (or ever) this will happen hopefully.

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still what makes me curious, why some standalone applications dont have this issue and work fine.

for example, all the toontrack products i use (Superior Drummer 3, EZ Keys, EZ Bass), Native Instruments (Kontakt, Massive, FM8, Absynth, Guitarrig) run fine, even something like Ploque Bidule is running very smoothly and never disconnects.
last night, just for testing purpose, i played with NI Guitar Rig 5 for half an hour without a single issue, yeah, the sound was very dated :wink: haha, but just to see if the problem will here occure too, but it didnt. i frequently jam to superior drummer 3 standalone and it runs for hours.
so these companies somehow figured out how to solve this issue, or maybe are using a different ASIO SDK, i dont know.

I understand why you would think that. I think it’s frequent with more demanding applications that are prone to experience audio dropouts, thus triggering the resynchronization request and by consequence, the loss of sound. However, it has been reported with other applications. There’s also a thread discussing this issue here.

This is the only driver that seems to exhibit this behavior. By our end, there’s nothing that could be causing this issue with just one specific driver from one manufacturer.

Hey guys, any luck with this issue? I just built a brand new designare based thunderbolt 3 PC with an Apollo interface and this same thing is happening.

Same Setup and still the same Problem. No Problems with TH-U from Overloud.

One thing to try: make sure in ASIO setup for Cali you have only one input selected and two outputs selected. Don’t know if it will help, but worth a try…

A work around: Cantabile offers a free version of their VST host designed specifically for live performance. The free version has enough functionality to host multiple instances of Cali or whatever, plus also mix other VSTs into the chain if you like. And you can use midi learn on plugins that include it like Cali. Great product that a lot of pro players use. Their paid versions unlock a lot of management and automation features…but the free version is surprisingly useful imo.

Thank you! Works very well with Cantabile.