Tried Fender FR12. Ended up with Harley Benton GPA 110 + 1x12 Cab

After trying the Fender FR10 and FR12, I went with the cheap Harley Benton GPA 110 Power Amp and a Harley Benton 1x12 Cab and never looked back.
It all sums up to be less expensive and way better sounding than the Fender Speaker!

Anyone with similar experience?

How long did you try the FR10/12? Just in store?

Does the HB speaker have the same neutral sound as the FR10/12?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Seems like apples and oranges. I assume the HB is a standard guitar speaker. The Fender Tone Masters are FRFR cabs. I just received an FR10 yesterday and so far, I like it. We have a 2-day gig this weekend so we’ll see how I feel on Monday.

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Inquiring minds, indeed - here’s my experience. I played an FR10 in early 2024 shortly after they came out. I returned it, but not for any glaring issues. Rather, it was because I stumbled across what I currently use, the Taurus FR210BT. Which, with its Bluetooth capabilities makes it more useful for my applications, and the form factor of the Taurus is more friendly IMO. I strongly recommend them over the FR10.

With this being said, the FR10 is a very good option as well. I believe it was made in China IIRC, and it felt very sturdy (not that cabs are generally ‘flimsy’ but this cab felt like it would be fine for a tour and would survive some bumps and scrapes along the way). I will say that when it comes to FRFR speakers, the noted differences in sound reproduction are minimal when comparing them to other similar options (for me, I’ve demoed the Laney LFR112 as well as a secondhand Headrush).

I might get some flack for saying this, but outside of the obvious impactors (chassis, form factor, driver size, and headroom), the actual sonic differences between an FR10 and the others was minimal. For my ears, the negligibility in sonic difference didn’t warrant why I should spend over >$1K for something that sounds 9.5/10 the same as something half the price. So, I vote with my wallet. I invested in nicer reference monitors for that. The FR210BT feels and sounds the closest to what I like out of a traditional guitar cab, at least within the realm of digital modelling. And while I’m sure the FR10 and the others can do the job just as well, here’s why I chose to keep the Taurus and return the FR10: it’s easily transportable, the bluetooth compatibility is helpful for practise, my ears like the sound of it, my presets are represented accurately to how I have configured them at home, and I didn’t need to spend extra money to achieve all that. You very well could get that exact same experience (without the bluetooth) from an FR10 depending on what you like.

TL;DR that might have someone yell at me — a good quality FRFR guitar-specific cab sounds just like the other good quality FRFR guitar-specific cab. Identical? no. Near identical? Yup. So find something that fits your specific niche needs (colour, weight, form factor, bluetooth whatever) and you’ll make the right choice :+1:

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how much did you have to edit/tweak your presets to compare the amp/cab with the FRFR setup?

Totally different experience.

I have the FR12 and it is absolutely amazing. I can easily great tones and the onboard eq is super useful for some minor adjustments at rehearsal/gig when needed.

Wow I’m surprised! I’ve tried a bunch of FRFRs and took a chance on the FR12 since I found a killer local deal. It has worked out amazing for me and gigging. I’ve got multiple real cabs and heads, and when I ran captures through the FR12 I was able to get them sounding almost identical to my cabs in the room. The part that surprised me is I had to use pretty drastic EQ moves on the FR12 to match the real cabs, instead of all at noon.

I found almost invariably that I would minimally tweak the lower mids (around 300), and adjust the upper mids (around 5k) accordingly. My ears tell me that the chassis size played a significant role in how the frequencies came across (not to mention the driver size as well naturally), but truthfully from brand-to-brand, the presets were presented accurately and faithfully. With presets locked in, I spent about as much time tweaking the EQ parameters as I did plugging in and tuning — which is to say, not much time at all.

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That Taurus FR210BT looks nice and has some great features. I tried an FR-12 and liked it but it was a little too much resonance for me so I returned. Incidentally, I had heard the FR-10 was better with the EQ settings and found a great deal locally on the FR-10 so I got it and its worked well with no hiss!

The one thing I love about the Taurus is the actual footprint… you can keep it in a wedge format, or even prop it up on its end to resemble a front-facing combo amp. When you’re practising at home, directionality is important so I dig it for that. Personal preference, but I don’t like the Fender-style tilt back legs. Don’t trust them for some reason, despite never having an issue :man_shrugging:

But man, a good deal on an FR-10 would be hard to pass up since it’s a quality choice for sure — I’m happy you snagged one!

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I used my new FR10 at last weekends shows and was super-impressed. We were outdoors but the little Tone Master had no problem keeping up. I had been using two Headrush FR108s in stereo and feel that they’re amazing for the size, weight and price but the FR10 just sounds more “amp-like". The Fender just adds a bit of warmth, without altering the frequency response (much). The Headrush cabs sound a bit sterile by comparison and always required lowering the high and low end (using the QC’s global EQ) in order to make them sound closer to what my presets sound like through my studio monitors and the PA. I set the high-cut on the FR10 at around 9:00, reduced the mids a bit at around 800hz and it sounded fantastic. The other thing I noticed about the Fender is that it has smoother off-axis frequency response. The FR108 is a bit of a cannon. The highs roll off pretty quickly as you move off-axis. Our bass player and other guitarist said they could hear me much better (from the other side of the stage), without adding my guitar to their monitor mix. Anyway, I just bought a second FR10 so I can have stereo when I want. They sound great at home and I’m looking forward to using the stereo FR10 rig at our next rehearsal.

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