I’ve got the Lehle Dual Expression hooked up to my Quad Cortex and I’m trying to understand if this is normal behavior or if I’m missing something.
Basically, the moment the pedal reaches 100 percent, it instantly triggers the toe switch on the QC. Theres no extra pressure needed, it does it every time. So:
Anything under 100 percent = Expression 1 (like my wah)
Hitting the very end of the travel = it fires the switch for Expression 2
I was under the impression this pedal had some sort of harder toe press for toe switch. But mine acts purely on position, not pressure. Even a gentle roll into 100 percent fires the switch.
I calibrated both EXP 1 and EXP 2. I even tried their online editor (LEHLE VERWALTER), which has some settings for the toe switch. No matter what I do it works as explained. I’d prefer if the toe switch would only work on a hard press.
Is this how the Lehle is supposed to work? Anyone using this with QC who can confirm?
I bought one of these myself just for the build quality tbh, but also because Lehle are a very human company, they have spare parts for every component at reasonable prices and luckily for us they have a guy on here sometimes; Joki. This thread addresses how to set up and calibrate the pedal for dual usage >> Lehle Thread
Thanks. I tried all of that (calibrating manually, using the Verwalter, the switch treshold option there to HARDEST, pressing hard on the right side of the pedal when calibrating). None of that helped. The toe switch is still activating all the time when I’m at 100% even with a very light touch i.e. not pressing hard at all.
yep, I don’t use the toe switch myself, scenes cover my needs for switching and I use the second TRS for a momentary on the Freeze … so I never explored it, sorry.
I don’t own this pedal, but I believe this is the way the Lehle is supposed to work. It is designed to activate at 100% using a magnetic “Hall” sensor. It is intended to not require any pressure and there is no way that I am aware of to simulate a “stiffer” feel on the switch. So… I think you are seeing operation as the pedal is designed.
An option might be to use it with the QC without the toe-switch, e.g. use scenes.
I wonder if there is a perhaps less than ideal low-tech solution like mounting a piece of rubber that might provide a bit of resistance before you reach 100%.
Awesome! Love to see posts directly from a manufacturer. Rare to see one this responsive. Good on you!
Btw, as far as I can tell, the “toe-switch” on this is really more similar to an auto-engage, so apologies if I introduced any confusion into this topic. Hopefully I didn’t just compound it. Quite probably poor use of terminology on my part.
I hope you or the OP post back here in case there is an option we are unaware of or if any information from a “non-owner” of this pedal was inaccurate or incomplete.
The relay in the 10K socket will be triggered, once a certain threshold has reached.
It depends on where the threshold is set.
It’s able to set the threshold higher than the normal physical end of the pedal. So a hard press reaches that “unreachable” threshold.
So in case the pedal ends at toe which would be 100%, we can set the threshold to 100,1%.
All this can be done at the pedal or via the LEHLE VERWALTER.
What exactly is happening at user @vejin does no one know, because unfortunately he hasn’t neither contacted me via mail, nor replied anywhere else.
Thank you for the additional information. These capabilities clearly add more options for the “feel” and behavior of the pedaI.
I noticed yesterday that there was another topic on this same pedal where you had already provided some of these details. This is the problem sometimes when the same topic is opened in two different threads. It leads to churn and requires tedious repetition. Thank you for answering in both locations. I would not have posted at all in this topic had I seen the other first. I hope the OP responds and you can close the loop at some point.
@LEHLE Thanks for taking the time to reply here and for being active in the thread, I appreciate the support.
I spent some more time experimenting with the pedal today and I finally managed to get the behavior I was originally expecting. What worked for me was repeating the calibration process from the manual, but paying a bit more attention to how the pressure is applied during the calibration step.
In my case, the important part (and this is not in the manual, but it’s mentioned in that other thread) was to press really hard during the calibration step for the 10K output, and to press on the right side of the pedal rather than the left. Pressing on the left side didn’t really seem to register anything for me, but once I pressed firmly on the right side (where the sensor appears to be) and really pushed during calibration, the pedal remembered that position correctly.
After doing that, the toe switch now behaves the way I expected: normal pressure works for expression, and a clearly harder press (again on the right side) is required to trigger the switch.
Adjusting the switch threshold in Lehle Verwalter didn’t seem to change much on my end. Even on the hardest setting it would still trigger quite easily, while the calibration process from the manual (+ hard press on the right side, which could be a useful addition to the manual) ultimately solved it for me.
In any case, thanks again for the help and for being present here in the discussion. It’s a great pedal, and hopefully these discussions also help others.
Please let me know if what I said makes sense or if you have anything to add on top of it?
Thanks @vejin for taking time to respond. I hope we were able to catch all of them threads
On FB you had also one.
This is something one can do and it works for the ultimately “threshold”.
However, done via the VERWALTER, often the basic user calibration of the pedal has not been done very accurately and then the user threshold is wrong calculated. If the user min&max calibration is too soft, the “hard” threshold, calculated in percentage of the user calibration can’t be hard…
It’s complicated.
Would you be able to contact me at support@lehle.com ? I can take a look at some data of your pedal, so I have a better oversight.
We have to consider it’s the Neural support forum here.
Thanks
Thanks to both of you and your polite responses.
Lets keep online conversations hearty!
