Volume Wheel

The Volume Wheel controls the output level, and it affects all the outputs…

That is very dangerous during a live gig…
It would be great to assign only the Volume Control for my personal FRFR Monitor to the Volume Wheel and not also for the main PA Mix.

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Totally agree! On the FM3 I have 2 volume controls that can be used exactly like that (one for FRFR monitor, one for front-of-house, not to be touched after sound-check).

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I wonder if this could be addressed in a firmware update.

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Steffen,
Agreed. As an Ax8 and Kemper Stage user the ability of ‘Locking’ the Volume output to the sound engineer for their needs while still controlling my frfr volume behind me is rather important. I noticed that the sound to 1/2 and 3/4 can be controlled I/O, but I presume the Wheel will still adjust the parameters of both?

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yep. the wheel controls all outputs. :unamused:

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I’m wondering if putting a limiter on the outputs used for FOH could be an effective way to prevent an unpleasant accident.

I hope a Firmware update will deliver the function to be able only Control the Volume for FRFR with the wheel

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yep. there needs to be an effective way to “lock and leave” the outputs to the FOH.

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Wow, what an incredible oversight. I guess this kind of thing should be expected in a first-generation system. This makes it practically unusable in a live scenario unless you’re monitoring off the board. Unfortunately my live setup doesn’t have easy access to a volume knob since I’ve always used the one on the front of my Kemper which is separate from its FOH output level :frowning:

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Did you read the manual?.. Any of you? You can set the output volumes for everything individually. Be it the main outs/headphone/fx out. I am so confused why people are freaking out over this. Yes you may not be able to assign the main volume know to it but it appears you can assign an expression pedal to the same function.

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did you read the original post? the concern is that the one and only volume wheel controls ALL the outputs and that’s a dangerous thing on a live stage that could easily mess up the FOH outs… and of course we know that all the outputs can be controlled individually through the software internally… because we actually read the manual.

“The Volume Wheel controls the output level, and it affects all the outputs.” User Manual 1.0

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All my ax8 presets are level set for unity gain with the output knobs dimed as per austinbuddy suggestion, and never had a problem with any amp or board i hooked up to and i plan to do the same here. It’d be cool to be able to disable it during a show but having an accessible master in case of a problem seems better. I think I’d rather just keep doing what I’m doing but its a neat suggestion.

Right! Feel like many musicians see all “music” hardware as just that, hardware. And fail to understand that everything in a digital unit is interconnected, and by the same token if a function is desired it can be programed. Very little is finite in the digital realm.

I understand clearly that devices like this are not in a static and finite state. new software and firmware updates will make huge improvements in the future. The OP point is that a Global Volume Wheel controlling all Outputs can have potential problems on a live stage. I feel most of have not failed to understand his point.

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I like the option of being able to disable it. I also think an option to designate rotary encoders to control specific outputs during gig mode would be really cool too. Even if that meant giving the option to disable that footswitch for that preset / scene so one cant accidentally change the volume while toggling the switch with their foot - but at the same time give instant access to specific output volumes without the need to gesture swipe down.

I hear op’s concern and its valid and a good idea. Just offering an alternative view - that NOT having a dedicated master volume can also create a crappy situation should something go wrong. I dont see how having that knob available and active is any different than with a typical pedalboard setup, but maybe we play in different environments where OPs might really merit having that option, so hopefully they consider it. The more flexibility, the better.

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Somebody asked this on the discord forum about accidentally turning the volume up and blowing up FOH and this was Doug’s response

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Very cool. So I guess I’m on the right track with how I’ve been using these things. Main output dimed and having consistantly level-set each preset to output the same volume, and use the master to turn down in case of emergency, i/o gesture if i need to adjust a specific output.

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thanks @Isaac @illegalgardener @Doug this sounds like the best solution.

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So … as I’m a luddite … and not read the manual
Set main volume wheel to max.
Then io adjust volume separately for outputs 1/2 for FOH and 3/4 for FrFr . Is this set for each preset or a universal setting?
As I’ve not fully read the manual, can I place a volume pedal for the 3/4 out put for my FRFR?

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I’m not sure whether the i/o levels are per preset, though I would think they likely are not. On my current rig I just max all the outputs and set my presets up so they hit roughly at 0db when I’m at max input from my instrument so volume is fully consistant between presets, and i just adjust input gain / vol at whatever i’m plugged into - interface, poweramp, mixing board etc

I did see a feature for a limiter in the i/o which they didnt get into deep detail on. That might make this easier - but my goal is generally consistent output between my presets with some 2-3db boosts here and there for leads