I have been racking my brains out trying to figure out how to set up my timeline daisy-chained into my big sky and then split this stereo image left and right through two amps, discretely.
I want left channel of delay and reverb to hit the front of the left-panned amp, and right channel of the delay and reverb to hit the front of the right-panned amp. I have tried nearly every combination of splitter type, true parallel, mix setting, even tried running one loop as its own loop and using two loop blocks for each side of the signal.
I have so many issues too with phasing when using two amps. I tried using same cab on a US SPR VB and a NoMatch Jefe. Mono cabs in my splitter for both. helped a little bit.
I have 3 years experience in live sound and this is kicking my butt. Would appreciate the help. thanks in advance
Have you tried using the lanes themselves, rather than splitters? Ie. Set row 2’s input to Return 1, and row 4’s input to Return 2…? Use gain blocks to pan and swap phase if needed.
I’ve gone down this road and come out victorious. Tonewise, im exactly where i want to be. This is my routing… (in parallel)
guitar (bass) → cali76 tx (w/split 2 outs a/b). A signal (high gain from cali)-> NEVE RNDI → QC (input 1) and B signal (lo z) → strymon volante (which takes mono to stereo) → H90 stereo in (in kill dry mode) → RET 1/2
From the QC perspective, from input 1 the top two lanes run my core tone (qc) multi out (usually xlr 1/2 out to FOH - silent stage). The bottom two lanes use RET 1/2 (no loop) for fx.
The magic is kill dry, absolutely ZERO phasing issues. QC has tremendous capabilities, and digital routing is supremely underrated. Unfortunately i cant run volante in kill dry cause it would kill the signal going into the H90, but im considering this as an alternative. The Official Musicom Lab Web Site
This is super helpful from you both. Killing dry signal worked wonders. Sadly im using stereo fx in series only allowing me to kill dry on one pedal at end of chain, my reverb. However, when dialing in a dual hard panned preset without any fx loop, I can still noticeably tell that captures and models alike are out of phase and time with one another, with some significant latency. I have flipped phases and gotten it tolerable where the signal is strong and in the middle of the stereo field, or in phase, but im wondering if there’s an issue here im missing or if this is just the nature of stereo amps that aren’t identical. BTW Kemper user here so stereo amping in the digital world outside of a daw is new to me on these modelers, however I do understand the concept.
SpinalTap I will try this and update back here in a moment.
Topherbass, for some reason I lost you in the weeds there on your explanation. any chance I can get a screenshot of your preset and a more detailed routing explanation?
My two stereo wet fx are a strymon timeline and big sky in that order.
Thanks to both.
This pic shows what I was trying to convey. Parallel routing (input1 -mono & Ret 1/2 -stereo) which comes from a split (in my case a cali76tx has 2 outs). Input1 gets “colored” by QC (amp/cab…etc) and Ret 1/2 is the kill dry of the H90 & volante in stereo. For same reason u mentioned I can’t run volante in kill dry (unless i had that parallizer 2 i linked above). Having 2 signals (qc & stereo fx) in this way gives zero phasing at any frequency. I can assign pedals to fade/crossfade or by holding the multiout mix signals to taste. The QC & H90 were made for each other .
