Now that!..is funny.!!!
The form factor and I/O is still advantage QC
QC vs Stadium size
Also stadium has only 2 effect loops so not an upgrade there. And only one input for the smaller version. So you have to get the giant stadium if you want 2 hardware inputs.
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You could probably use one of the returns on the stadium for another input
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I think NDSP is prioritizing sellable plug-in capabilities (spelled recurring revenue) over everything else.
All brands have users clamoring for feature updates, even Fractal and Line6.
I donāt know where the QC will end up, but I sure hope to see more development beyond plugins which I have zero interest in.
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I certainly hope that Neural-Cortex product support doesnāt become the Headrush variety. They killed me with their Looper Board. Yamaha / Line 6 is ahead of the curve, but the price is extreme!
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The price really isnāt extreme for the Stadium. The unit thatās similar to the QC is almost the same price, with way more capabilities (at least according to the specs). Fractal gear will run you the same, if not more tbh. A Kemper (non powered) head with a footswitch will be about the same as well. Realistically thereās no need for the Helix Stadium with an expression pedal, since you can get one for less than the price difference of the two models.
but then you lose the scribble strips.
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Would rather save space on a board if they have a view similar to the QC on the screen. Iām viewing the cheaper one as the direct competitor to the QC since it also doesnāt have scribble strips, an expression pedal built in, and is about the same price.
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Hey there ā¦agreed.
I was a Helix fan for ever and then turned to QC for the sound but then came face to face with all the complaints. Thought people were complaining for no reason but then I had the same issues. No updates , all they do is advertise their Apps ā¦.and no one listening to the customersā¦. Then they ban me from this forum for having an opinionā¦after having spent thousands of dollars with themā¦
So Helix has just given me the reason to make the change . QC. Is a great product but the guys who make the decisions are not responsive enough to their customers nor do they honour their commitments. The Helix team on the other hand, listen and keeps to their word with consistent updatesā¦ & upgrades.
They are definitely raising the game ā¦.
So they have made it easy for me ā¦
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Exactly!
I cannot get it around my head that Neural is ignoring since years the very loud wishes for improvements of the footswiches (assign them to whatever and how much you want) for more macro control, MIDI expansion, and better snapshot/stomp hybrid workflows and of course the possibility to store several loops and use playbackā¦
All of which should be technically possible and would make it the best device againā¦
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Agreed except we donāt know that NDSP is āignoringā the request(s), they just havenāt implemented those specific QOL requests yet, otherwise itās just speculating. IMO, the QC is future-proof, the architecture has the right I/O and hopefully within time, NDSP will deliver on all the QOL requests and hopefully PCOM (whether owners want it or not). I might get the new Helix just because I like gear to try etc. I like the QCās footprint size, I like that the QC can capture locally (roughly 4 mins) and does not require being tied to the internet and or a PC/Mac to complete that process. All gear has some limitations but if your gear isnāt working for your workflow, itās probably time to investigate a replacement. The realization is that NDSP will not provide an update that is inclusive of everyoneās wants and desires in the next one or two updates. Only NDSP is aware of what & when is coming next. I suspect some owners will move to the Helix and hopefully all goes well. There will always be another product that meets your expectations just around the corner. Currently, I prefer the NDSP eco-system. With the QC and Nano, I have what I need. 
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If you were banned or sent on a mini-vacation, you must have broken forum rules, plain and simple. If you wish to discuss more, use the DM.
Sorry you are having issues and hope you have great luck in whatever direction you take gear wise!
Obviously not everyone has the same issues but that doesnāt matter if it messes with your overall production and work-flows. Life is short, enjoy it while you can and with the gear that works best for you.
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Not to stray too far from the point, but has anyone played Line 6ās first foray into the digital amp realm - the AxSys 2x12 combo? Obviously weāre in a different era of gear, but one thing I will give credit to them for is forward-thinking ideas. That was in the mid 90s, and here we are 30 years laterā¦ the thing had different cab models, and the Line 6 āFloor Boardā that definitely inspired their later forays into floor modellers, Helix included. Curious what people wouldāve said about that back then if forums existed 
This. Why are we not allowed to hear a sample of the new algorithm ?
Quad Cortex sounds miles above a Helix. Its all going to come down to if this new algorithm is going to match the Quad. Helix is the worst sounding platform outside of maybe a headrush. I undertand why people gravitate to it for utility reasons . But the sound isnt close.
The Quad even makes the Kemper sound digital.
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When āworstā Word compares, a lot of us have a precognition
Mrserv0n can you post a sample of Miles Better sound? (I thinkā¦no) Thank you
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I had the mighty Johnson Millennium Stereo 150 - a 2 x 12 combo, based around a Digitech valve pre-amp FX processor. It was absolutely awesome, years ahead of its time. It was heavy and loud and moved a lot of air, and the build quality was out of this world. I even had the matching 2 x 12 extension cab, glorious!
But eventually it lost out to Line 6, it was a bit like the Betamax/VHS thing; the Johnson was arguably a better product but for whatever reason didnāt survive as modelling started to rapidly evolveā¦
All these units can do good things and may even sound fantastic to some people and if Line6 sounds like that to you well then youāve found your thingā¦ Likewise the headrush if it sounds great to you stay with itā¦ I wonāt say I come from either of them but Iāve had them boss bla blaā¦ Had fractal on loan for a while alsoā¦ Itās all personal taste BUT Iāve now got the QC and Iām happy to stay were I am.
Itl be updatated when itās updatedā¦ So for now happy happyā¦ I will also add that there are people with ears that can mix master music and hear what sounds right and what doesnāt sound rightā¦ I mix and master every day and play different mastered tracks back to peeps, day in day out and 99% of them cannot tell any difference from any of them..
And when Iāve to spend hours trying to coax a half decent sound out of somtin to not be very happy with the end soundā:thinking: itās time to move onā¦ That doesnāt happen when I use the QC 
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One thing I mentioned is most folks donāt hear the difference in my masterās mixes and there musiciansā¦ Like alot of musicians I know and work with just plug in and play they donāt even use the amp controls or try to fine tune anythingā¦ They use presets and are happy to just use themā¦ I wish the units didnāt come with presets on themā¦ I can for sure tell the difference between a helix and QCā¦ And not only from a listening point but also a playing pointā¦ But I agree with what gnumarco said to an extent peeps wonāt hear the differenceā¦ But itās not because there isnāt itās because they canāt hear itā¦
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