Been using the doubler a lot and every once in a while it feels like it “drifts” to either the left or right channel. Almost feels like its going slightly in and out of phase. It’s all very fluid, so it’s hard to pinpoint exactly what going on. All I know is that it feel like suddenly one speaker will feel more predominate than the other, but then it will just kind flow back.
Idk if this even makes any sense, but something weird is going on here
Agreed. Can’t tell what is going on exactly and most of the time it works fine. But sometimes it really smushes the sound.
what’s going on is that is exactly how it works. It is analyzing transients and randomly adjusts eq and delay. Feed it from the cleanest point in your preset that you can, but that is pretty much expected behavior. As your signal decays and dissipates, the doubler effect randomizes the output and it stands out the most right before your drops off.
Forgive my ignorance… but why? That just seems wildly complex. Is that all required to simply just duplicate the signal and delay it a bit, or is there something else going on?
The randomisation is to make it sound more like two guitar tracks played separately, rather than one track duplicated with a bit of a delay (which you could just do with a delay block).
I’ve not managed to get it to work for me personally, but I never used the plugin one either.
a 28 - 30 ms stereo delay would be similar but more consistent, if that’s what your after.
Nature of the beast. I finally got to try the doubler yesterday and, upon initial testing, I was impressed. Concerning the shifting volume, that’s likely due to a phyco-acoustic effect. When you have two identical signals happening at slightly different times (within milliseconds), and split left and right, the one that happens first will sounds louder.
I guess it makes sense now why it has a volume control for the dry/wet signals
Same issue. It sounds great, but there are a lot of phasing issues. Have anyone tried the doubler in ie. the " Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ Suite" or " Fortin Nameless Suite X"? Do these also phase, making playback og recordings in mono impossible?
This has the tone of you experiencing phase shifting or stereo channel imbalance while playing the doubler. This might occur when there’s a slight misalignment between left and right channels such that one ends up overwhelming or shifting in and out of phase. The “fluid” feeling may result from subtle interference or phase cancellations where the sound seems to become more forceful in one speaker before adjusting to a balance. It could help to be associated with a setting or plugin impacting the stereo image, or maybe a processing fault within the doubler itself. Monitoring phase inversion or mono compatibility in the settings may be able to give a better idea.
Yeah, the doubler sounds great when hard panned in stereo, but weird phasy when folded into mono. Nature of the beast (slight delay on one side creates tons of comb filtering when used in mono, same reason why using “wideners” on mixes often is a bad idea).