Changing Songs without Cutting Signal

I’m a new user but am wonder if its possible to move seamlessly between different ‘songs’ on my setlist without the signal cutting out? (ie when moving to a different bank)

I use scene mode so and i’ve set up for each tone within a song to be able to be switched seamlessly within a bank and this works fine. However sometimes at the end of a song, I like to keep a note ringing out, move to a different bank and then start a new song without any interuption - however as it stands there is always a momentary cut off of signal which is incredibly annoying.

Is there any way around this? I used to jump between songs/banks on my Kemper Stage without any issue previously.

Appreciate any help!

Thanks
Steve

Let’s use the term preset instead of bank for the QC.

There will always be some gap when you switch from one preset to another. It’s because the next preset has to load all of the contents of the grid into memory. See the topic below.

I’m a one-preset-for-the-whole-gig kind of guy, plus I use external pedals for modulations and delay, so I have completely gapless switching with scenes. I don’t know what your needs are–cover band guitarists tend to use a lot of individual presets to cover all of their material, for example–but I would suggest minimizing preset switching as much as possible.

One preset can have up to 8 scenes. If it’s at all possible for you to use one preset for 2-3 songs at a time, you could arrange a scene for your note ringout and then go into the next song. Perhaps at a moment where you’re going to be completely quiet or need to tune, that’s where you would want to switch to another preset if needed.

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Thanks for the input -appreciate it :slight_smile:

Does not quite solve the problem but I use a volume pedal in one of my loops, so I fade out one song, then switch preset and then fade into the next preset.

Fractal Audio recently added support for gapless preset switching. So it seems to be possible with sufficient memory and caching.

Unfortunately audio dropout isn’t only a problem when preset switching with Quad Cortex. The new Soldano SLO 100 plugin model produces significant audio gaps when switching the bright switch or amp channel. This is probably because these are using different captures that have to be loaded. Again, memory and caching can be a solution for this. Hope we see that in some future update. I was not able to use scenes to control bright or channel switching on the SLO 100 because of the audio dropouts. This limits the usefulness of an otherwise very nice amp model.

Note that the Soldano SLO-100 X plugin on my M2 MacBook Pro does not have any dropout when switching bright, crunch or Normal/Overdrive channel. But that’s a pretty fast computer.

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Fractal and Helix both have gapless preset switching options, but there are sacrifices. No unit has 100% gapless switching between two different full presets. On the Helix, if you choose gapless, you’re relegated to half the DSP. Not sure how Fractal does it.

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On FM9 gapless switching is a configuration option. It does consume some CPU, but not much.

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The headrush units have gapless preset switching too, it takes some time to load the next one but there is no audible gap or pop while doing so.

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That’s hilarious. No gap, but it doesn’t switch right away. Like, what?

I can’t see where that’s hilarious :thinking: You are hearing the tone of the current preset until the next one is fully loaded (loading takes a few ms like it’s the case with the QC too)

The point is you want the sound you need when you need it. It’s just trading one undesirable thing for another. I guess if your ONLY concern is the microsecond of sound dropout, then this would be good, but if your concern is needing the sound you need immediately, it’s just as bad. All in the ear of the beholder, I guess but it seems silly to me.

Better to be stuck on the old sound, but actually have sound, than to drop to complete silence before the new sound is loaded.

Definitely not Ideal, but I could live with that and just learn to pre-empt the delay, or work out my presets so that it works.

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The meaning of “gapless” in the first place is indeed only the absence of an audible gap (a short moment of silence). What you want is the ability to switch between whole presets instantly. The latter will never work without some kind of preordered setlist to enable some sort preloading, this will probably come at a way higher cost in terms of available DSP per preset. For me (and I guess most users) the absence of any audible gap is most important, because you don’t want to have a few milliseconds of silence or loud pops/cracks while fading / ringing out from one song into another that uses a different preset playing live. For instant in-song-tone-changes that’s what scenes inside a preset are for.

There already is an older Feature request for gapless switching: Gapless preset switching

Please vote on that one :raised_hands: