Actually it is for personal use. Fender already is achieving similar results with imitating their own tube amps but one at a time with tone master series. So if it was possible to have one tone master amp that could imitate a champ and a bassman or every tube fender amp, I would want to buy it. I even thought about buying a tone master princeton since it is light-weight and has advantages over tube version. However, having one amp or modeler or FRFR that could simulate many is the real debate here. It is only hypothetical now but if it was possible, people would want one I think.
Amp in the room sound is literally only for whoever is in the room playing it … your not gonna want amp in the room sound at a gig even a regular small pub gig itl most likely be mic’ed up amp… and that’s were modellers make so much sense it’s small box and a guitar to bring to the gig no heavy lifting
In that case buy any decent modeller or capture device, turn off the cab sim and run it via a tonally neutral power amp into a guitar cab. 99.9% of the way there.
Not really though.
Well I would. I play jazz gigs as well and a nice Fender Amp in a room sound would be perfect at a small jazz club. When I used to Live in New York City, most jazz gigs would have extremely small stage and you would have to be careful with volume since you mostly play with upright bass player.
Yes that makes sense for intimate small gigs… Fender have delivered on that I would say.. Buy a tone master pro amp… I haven’t used one but that is there goal
Actually, yes you’re right and I should ( probably will ) get a Fender Tone Master. I already have a Nano Cortex and I could get a tone master as well.
However, the main topic was about the future of the modelers and we were kind of having hypothetical next step on revolution / invention. I guess I thought it would be next best seller if someone invented a gadget that would make amp-in-the-room sound possible for every amp. It is already possible with tone masters but everyone would want one if it was possible to simulate many.
Anyways, it is a great time now compared to what we had 40 years ago.
I think IK-Multimedia tried it with their new FRFR Cab, but I like the Fender Fr-10 a lot more. I got the board from Archangel Electronics for my FR and it sounds and feels very amp in a room like.
The new Eq section did wonders for that
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Read at your own risk…. Haha it may not not make a lot of sense
Yes I guess it slightly drifted…I would imagine it would need to be what’s last in the chain type of thing which is the speaker… they are already given us valve tones with mic’ed up cabinet sounds that you can’t tell the difference in so it’s probably possible to give us the amp in the room sound… and Fender have done it on a 1for1 basis… so it is possible as we speak… my assumption is the speaker would need to be able too cover all the different nuances, frequencies and character of atleast all the classic speakers… so a speaker that doesn’t have any character or colour to it… assuming you want a live amp to play through but if your using headphones it would be part of the software within maybe being able to isolate the mic and remove it… and speaking about headphones don’t they do that now we’re they can give the listening environments of world class studios for mixing mastering.. How good they are or accurate I don’t know…
Slate digital… microphone emulation and studio emulation…. Which is beyond my knowledge of it all… but I would a assume a lot of it is applying frequency curves that make up the individual components you need the mic they make for the microphone emulation and headfones for the studio environment… my guess is it may not be to far away and itl be part of modellers in a simple switch mic on /off also if I remember when using the headrush prime for a bit after you done a capture/clone of a combo amp you could remove the cab from the capture/clone and add a different cab how accurately it removed the cab I don’t know but if it removed the cab it must be removing the mic influence aswell but how well it does that I’m unsure but when adding a different cab it sounded fine…
But that is when using headphones…. How do they transfer that to say an frfr… the speaker again is the last in the chain
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So, which direction do you think the new step will come from? FRFR side or modeler side or something we have not expected. I mean resolution wise we are already having difficult time telling which is capture which is real amp. So I would say we’re there already. But amp next to me sound wise we have a bit more to go.
There’s also dsr speakers… digital sound reproduction
I’m confused how boomers always talk about “amp in the room” sound when they’re using an IR of a microphone on a speaker with an FR….. That sound will always be similar to hearing a cabinet with a microphone on it going through a studio monitor.
If you want “amp in a room” sound then get an actual guitar speaker and a power amp. It’s crazy how many different FR speakers people will buy and not realize that concept. A guitar cab IR will naturally have a low end roll off for most microphones, which also sounds WAY different than just sitting next to a cab in a room. People will spend so much money not realizing that difference at all, when the answer is so simple haha.
Cabinet IR + Full Range Speaker = studio monitor
Amp Model + Power Amp + guitar or bass speaker cabinet = amp in the room
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I think usability, ease of use and educational content are the way to go. The little infos the stadium has and the new dumbbell have are great. I never had and will never have a real dumble, but to get a little explanation for the special options is very welcome.
The focus mode is a great idea, too.
Since there is a good spring reverb finally, there are some other effects to add, but the sound isn’t going to get drastically better in my opinion
The idea of a a power amp + speaker all in one for modeling would be great and may be a path forward, to mimic the Amp in room sound.
I’m totally fine with my Fr on stage and we played a small gig with backline and just the fender fr and I got many compliments on my tone…
I can see why your confused…when I want to hear an amp in the room sound I plug into one of my amps simple… but they are asking somtin else…maybe reading through it again will help you understand it… I’m definitely not a baby boomer… but I understand what there asking
Well debate started with what could be the next invention / revolution since the V2 resolution is up to a point where you can not tell the difference with the original amp. So we were speculating what could be the next step for simulation? That is when “Amp in the room” could be next. Array of speakers or other possibilities were mentioned. Overall it was fun to see what others think.
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It’s a question people always ask in forums for modelers. Recreating the “amp in a room” feel always feels off with FR speakers, but I see people go in circles trying to figure it out.
Usually the cabinet construction for FR or studio monitors is different than a combo or guitar cab, the speakers are very different, and people are running an IR to it.
Even if you were to mimic the eq response of a V30 with a plugin while running to a studio monitor, it’ll still react differently. Usually since FR and studio monitors have a different speaker size, cab construction, amount of speakers, etc.
Same sort of issue if trying to use headphones. Since you then enter the whole debate of open vs closed back.
This caught my eye:
I thought I remembered there being a post or an article about how the QC’s switches were tested to X number of clicks, somewhere in the tens or hundreds of thousands. (I tried to find it but couldn’t.) If there was any better option for a tougher footswitch type, Neural would have used it. No one is counting the number of times they step on a switch anyway, let alone 11 switches.
Early on, Neural shared that the QC passed through rigorous temperature and shake-table testing. As an engineer in the aerospace world who has performed both on flight hardware, I appreciated a lot that they did that. I’m not sure if other companies with modeler hardware have done this, but I sure hope that this becomes standard across the board.
Yes I understand reason I don’t use my guitar amps as studio monitors… I was only having a joke… it has to be done on the speaker end of things it’s the only way… and the ability to build a speaker that can replicate all other speakers I would say ain’t gonna happen… we have to live it the best approximation which a mic in front of a cab… or get an actual amp or as you suggest power amp and cabinet..
I think the existing footswitches ( even on the Nano ) are excellent. So, yes I agree.
Which is not so bad at the moment I think. Well, also there is this thing for really good players. They have a signature sound. Most of them ( except a few others like Robben Ford, Bonamassa etc.. ) use one axe, one amp 1-2 pedals at a time. So at least we know it is not a limitation for being a good player.