Multivoicer, Pitch Shifter, Transposer

Please add other modes to the multivoicer, not just major, minor, and chromatic, and improve the transposer and pitch shifter so that it works perfectly!

Just to put it in perspective, the Transpose block is the best pitch shifter on the market (lowest latency, fewest artifacts) - even as a polyphonic pitch shifter, which NDSP have said it’s not polyphonic - it’s still better than others’ polyphonic pitch shifting. It’s about equal to Line 6, but I prefer QC’s. If Fractal can’t make theirs good, and they spend all day everyday trying to improve Fractal firmware, I don’t think a company like NDSP, who spreads themselves incredibly thin across numerous projects, could even begin to make improving the Transpose block better a priority. There’s just SO much that needs to take place for a transposer to do its job, and it has to be done SO fast. Again, try the competition’; I think you’ll be glad for the Transpose block’s quality.

Can’t speak to your multi-voicer request, though; except adding user-defined scales is always a good idea.

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I agree, the transpose works better than competitors, I had an FM9 and the virtual capo worked much worse there, but it still doesn’t work perfectly. The Digitech Drop pedal works perfectly, but I’m reluctant to buy a pedal if I have a processor. And there are frets in the same fractal, but here only major and minor, not enough for guitar parts instead of 2, 3 or 4 guitarists, in fractal you can make 4 voices and they sound good.

The transpose is great… the sound of it rich aswell, super for fast country picking… out of all Ive had and used ndsp’s is my favourite by far

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Yes, but not ideal.

I promise you Line 6 Poly Capo and Poly Chrome Hypertune are much more accurate than the Neural Transpose. You can see comparisons on YouTube if you don’t have access to them. Even Ola England did a video showing how glitchy Transpose is.

Transpose does have a lower latency, but damn it’s not really worth the artifacts at all. Yes it’s easier to have that in a preset, but I’ve tested basically every one of these pitch shifters multiple times and that’s what I’ve found.

I don’t have experience with the Poly Chrome, but I assume that’s a pedal that you’d have to incorporate. Line 6 is not that much better, if at all (I have the Helix). I haven’t seen Ola’s video, but I use the Transpose everyday and it’s the best I’ve heard/felt for both bass and guitar. I haven’t used it on clean guitar, so maybe that’s a weakness (a weakness all pitch shifters share, as far as I know). Or maybe he had the block in the wrong place or was trying to tune hella low. All I can speak of is for general use 1-to-5 semitones downtuned. I’ve not used it for uptuning, so my area of experience with it is admittedly limited.

There are different settings on Poly Capo for the accuracy. You need to make sure it’s on Stable or X Stable. I’ve tested these pitch shifters a bunch with clean and distorted tones. Poly Capo still has the least amount of artifacts (barely any) with Stable or X Stable. Also the eq feature to make sure the tone isn’t darkened is amazing. Transpose darkens the tone in a strange way when pitch shifting.

Another user on here recorded a couple clips with Transpose and the Poly Chrome plugin. Somehow them and another user didn’t seem the notice the very strange glitchy artifacts of it which was interesting.

I recorded them… and I will say there wasn’t any glitches in the recording you were definitely making them up in your own head, and not to be rude about it… and the evertune or whatever it’s called wasn’t amazing…if anything the hyper tune had glitching going on

Not making them up haha. If you don’t know what to listen for or have much experience with that stuff it can be easy to overlook. Transpose absolutely glitches and bounces between the pitches in the same way most monophonic pitch shifters react.

Watch starting around 5:30- https://youtu.be/PGf8jH9N3KY?si=3pDskRJPa84NrfV3

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Honestly I don’t have any of that hoping around stutter sounds when I use the transpose and there was none of it on those recordings… I’ve used this stuff and effects and as a session musician for the 30yrs and almost of all sorts since the 80’s… this type of talk about experience is ridiculous… the ndsp transpose is great…

And the fact they say it’s monophonic I can still play chords and double stops without problems and it tracks great,

I gave up on the last thread cause all you did was try and convince about somtin that wasn’t in the recordings… :roll_eyes:

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I think we all listen for different things and have different sensitivities to latency. Some people think the Fractal is fine (it’s not). Also, many people who try these use them wrong - namely, they put them in the wrong place in the chain (should ALWAYS be the first effect). Honestly, I think the Transpose feature of any modeler should be built into the input block/section to avoid confusion.

In the end, though, they’re ALL perfectly fine for live use with overdriven guitars. It’s on clean guitars and bass guitar that the warts really show - but I personally haven’t seen any warts on the QC pitch shifter.

I can absolutely hear it in your recording haha. Not trying to fool you, but it’s there. A little harder to make out than Ola’s video because your tone is sorta darker and not as clear. (Since it has some grit to it) But def there for sure

This was what surprised me most when I first started using NDSP plugins a few years ago before the QC was a thing. Given that it was so good, I had no doubt the pitch shifting in the QC was going to be stellar and I wasn’t disappointed. Technically NOT polyphonic, but clearly works well on polyphony.

EDIT: the QC may have been a thing, but I didn’t have one.

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:joy: OK man you can tell yourself that all day long…

I play clean almost all the time and have played on plenty of releases… country stuff and use the QC and the plugins for it all these days and the transpose works perfect… there not asking me to do retakes😁

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Good to hear; I’ll play with it this weekend on some clean stuff :slight_smile:

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I reread the discussion here. You are right, lest you think that the transposer and pitch shifter and multivoicer are not polyphonic and do not work perfectly. There are more artifacts on the clean, and for some reason even more on the pitch increase. Of course, they are the first in the chain. I had an FM9, so the virtual capo worked worse there, but the pitch shifter is clearly better. I just want everything to be perfect on the quad cortex and the sound to not change at all when transposing either single notes or chords. And I also noticed that the artifacts are for some reason stronger on active pickups, just like in Ola’s famous video. But on passive pickups the sound does not distort so sharply. Well, the gain clearly decreases when transposing, which is not good. You can keep praising it, but personally I would like NDSP to eliminate the shortcomings and make these effects usable in live performances and sound professional and clean.

Absolutely. I love the QC, but am critical of the unit and where it could improve. Yes, transpose is better than monophonic pitch shifters from like 15 years ago, but there’s absolutely room for improvement

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And I completely agree with you!

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