Tone suck when using splitter mixer

I have this setup


But when i add a splitter before the cab for real cab purposes, the tone is very different on the multi out compared to when there is no splitter

With splitter

No splitter

Might be a phase issue. Try adding a gain block and invert?

Tried that still the same. This might be an issue

Can you make a picture of the grid with the splitter?

There might be a setting within the splitter/mixer that causes this. Have you tried setting the splitter to A/B and both to 100%?

How are you setting up the outputs from the rows? If both are set to multi out the signal from both rows will be routed to all outputs. And even if only one is set to multi out, the signal from that row will be routed to all outputs. So you should set each row to separate outputs and not use multi out at all.

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That doesn’t really refer to the question and also isn’t true. Using multi outs is perfectly fine. It just depends on what you have connected to the QC. But that is true to every routing option regarding outputs.

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Put an FX Loop block before the cab block and set that to just be a Send. Saves you a row as well.

I’m hoping one day we will be able to route to out 3/4 from the send blocks.

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Yep tried this. Same same

I need the multi out because 1/2 = house 3/4 = monitors and the send 1/2 on row 4 is backup for a physical cab

Let me try this end report back

Update: awesome! It didnt tone suck. Is there any cons on using fx loop? Doesnt it loop the output on send?

Or it send signal to send without cab and then continues on the next block?

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But multiout will route the output from that row to ALL main outputs on the qc: 1/2 and 3/4. So if you have the cab block routed to multiout you will have the signal WITH the cab block in both outputs. If you want only the signal without the cab block in either main output, you cannot use multiout.

The send block is a perfectly valid way of routing. You can still have the cab block on both output 1/2 and 3/4 without mixing in the non cab tone.

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I’ve been doing it for all live shows for the last year and it’s worked absolutely great.
2 guitars, each going out of one of effects loops (and one coming back in via external effects too).

Make sure you set it to ‘Send 1’ or ‘Send 2’ then you don’t need to worry about return signal routing, or the additional DA → AD conversions.

Only con would be having a patch where you’ve forgotten to set it up and suddenly losing all sound?
I think I dropped the send level by 6dB after some advice from elsewhere (I think unity gain is at -6dB for some reason), but that doesn’t matter if you’re only sending and there’s no return signal.

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Yeah i have with cab = multi our (1/2,3/4, USB 3/4)

And before the cab a fx loop send 1/2

Loved the outcome no more headache :grin:

Last thing missing would be the granular control over multi out routing. I wanted to add in a dedicated line for my vocal. But for now this will do

You are correct. I assumed the mixer would go in front of the cab. That’s why I was also asking for pictures. Descriptions leave a lot of room for interpretation most of the time.

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May I ask you to share this preset on the cloud so I can see the mapping? I think I understand what’s happening but I want to make sure I try what you suggest here for my output to my poweramp/cab. Thanks in advance.

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This could be related to the “Balance | A/B” setup of the splitter. If you want the same amount of signal for both paths try A/B instead of Balance. Using this yo got the same sound for both paths.

another con is that the global eq doesn’t act on the send outputs