# Subtle Detune like 5150-era EVH **URL:** \ **Category:** Quad Cortex\ **Created:** [March 28, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989 "2021-03-28T03:13:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alec.lee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/unity.neuraldsp.com/alec.lee/32/754_2.png) [@alec.lee](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/alec.lee)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2021, 3:13am UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/1 "2021-03-28T03:13:16Z")
When I tried using the pitch shift block, I get more of a flange effect than a detune / chorus. Chorus block doesn’t really do it either. Anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![BobbyLane99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/74df32/32.png) [@BobbyLane99](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/BobbyLane99)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/2 "2021-03-28T16:32:00Z")
the old studio trick: stereo out hard L/R and one row has a mono delay at super short delay time at 100% mix… if needed on that same row you could add a pitch block with a couple cents of de-tune ---
**Author:** ![alec.lee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/unity.neuraldsp.com/alec.lee/32/754_2.png) [@alec.lee](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/alec.lee)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/3 "2021-03-28T17:16:28Z")
I tried the hard L/R pan. Shifting one side didn’t sound great. Adding a pitch detune block with different shift on the other side sounded better but still kinda flangey. My theory is that the detune effect is accomplished using a sawtooth wave to modulate a delay. NDSP might then have accomplished the shorter latency by using a shorter average delay. That delay is in the ballpark of where a flanger operates vs. other pitch shifters that operate more in the chorus range. If that’s the case, your suggestion of adding a delay to the pitch shift might push the average delay out into chorus territory. I’ll give that a try. ---
**Author:** ![Standup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Standup](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/Standup)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/4 "2021-03-28T19:07:34Z")
I have an old Rocktron intelliflex and it has a patch called New Ed. It’s in stereo and has pitch shift or harmonizer on each side. One side is pitch down a little bit and the other side is pitch up a little bit. Sounds exactly like Eddie’s sound on the albums. ---
**Author:** ![tian.jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@tian.jay](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/tian.jay)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 10:25am UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/5 "2021-03-29T10:25:14Z")
Normally I would achieve that affect by detuning between 9 cents down on one side and then 9 cents up on the other side… I’m hoping my QC arrives tomorrow or Wednesday so unfortunately I cannot trial on this yet… ---
**Author:** ![alec.lee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/unity.neuraldsp.com/alec.lee/32/754_2.png) [@alec.lee](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/alec.lee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/6 "2021-03-30T03:10:41Z")
You can do that but you need to do it on two paths because the pitch block only does one detune and doesn’t pan. ---
**Author:** ![2342](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/unity.neuraldsp.com/2342/32/3098_2.png) [@2342](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/u/2342)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/subtle-detune-like-5150-era-evh/3989/7 "2022-07-01T16:04:57Z")
I’m with the same issue here. Having my QC since yesterday. I noticed the flanging vibe when using only one pitch shifter block with mix less than 100%. Using two pitch shifter blocks in parallel and opposite shifts sounded less flanging. But it’s kind of uninspiring and complicated to realize while on other modelers you have a dedicated stereo detune block and that’s it. EDIT: there’s actually a factory preset on the unit (18D Frankenstrat) where they tried to realize the effect. But if you ask me, it’s not even close, unfortunately.